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Denied Allow Damage Indicators in Minigames

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Allow Damage Indicators in Minigames​

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As we all know damage indicators are considered a disallowed modification. This is really stupid how people in minigames get banned for it even tho you already have a damage indicator on there.

Before this argument was not considered cuz of people using it in other gamemodes which do not have damage indicators already.

Simple fix to that is Allow them in Minigames. There is no reason to disallow them in minigames. Since 95% of people who get banned for damage indicators are people who don't think thats bannable since its such a tiny modification.

You can disallow this in other gamemodes other than minigames the same way as it is done for fly boost in factions (Disallowed only in factions)​

How can this idea help to improve JartexNetwork?
Make people not get banned for something that is so subtle and barely gives an advantage.​
 

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Right all players gonna ask ovq for the rules and not the official document on the website.
The website isn’t nearly as updated as the staff team are in terms of rules
Tell me another mod that’s only allowed in one gamemode.
You don't get screenshared unless you set off a lot of flags or a staff thinks you are suspicious.
So yes people can use it without others knowing, that doesn’t mean it’s right to use it in the first place…And I mentioned before anyone who gets banned for it can simply appeal and get unbanned by saying “sorry didn’t know it wasn’t allowed it’s my fault for not reading the rules”
 

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-1 reasons stated by Doytrex Doytrex
Sorry KillBandit KillBandit
 

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Most of pros and cons which were stated above, my vote will possibly be changed in future
 

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After reading the responses coming from the creator of this suggestion. I get your point that new comers would join the server using damage indicator since they think that "oh jartex has damage indicator on minigames, so i dont need to turn off mine because i feel more comfortable with mine and im used to it being this way" even after they read the rule, a lot of them might still be thinking that it's allowed to use ONLY on minigames since damage indicator itself is built in minigames already so of course, there is a chance that they ignore the rule thinking that the rule is only applied for other gamemodes BUT Mini games, or they would be like "the rule section must be outdated because it claims that damage indicator isn't allowed GLOBALLY but I see it in minigames" but little that they don't know, jartex just meant that the modification is disallowed but that doesn't mean that jartex cant add their own one in a gamemode. It's just a confusion overall and innocent players might get banned this way due to new comers in the mini game section reporting cheaters while having their own damage indicator on and then get banned for it.

You're also right about new comers using damage indicator due to them thinking that it's not cheating and that it's not something big of a deal especially with damage indicator itself being built in minigames, it would make them think even more that it's allowed. As for them reading the rules, I talked about that above.

I also get your point that the only way someone would be caught using damage indicator is by getting SSed by a staff member and for that to happen, staff members should at least get a console alert of the player or be suspicious of them. So due to screenshare being the only way to catch damage indicator users, having damage indicator ALLOWED in minigames wouldn't be a problem because if they got SSed in minigames, they would be safe from getting banned from damage indicator, but if they got ssed in factions, they would be banned for using damage indicator because they're in the gamemode that damage indicator is disallowed.

But also, let's not forget that they will have to restart their MC for them to disable damage indicator every time they wanna switch to a gamemode after playing minigames. The reason why they have to restart MC is because, they can't have the damage indicator modification active in their minecraft game even tho they turned it "off" from the settings since staff members would never know if it was off or on. The modification should be removed completely while being in minecraft and for that, they will have to restart which could be annoying to players and that could make lazy players use damage indicator anyways which could create more damage indicator users.

Due to that being said, I think it's best that jartex network adds a MOTD that pops up in your screen every time someone joins the mini game gamemode saying "Jartex network built a damage indicator specifically made for mini games, so please avoid the use of damage indicator modification to prevent yourself from getting banned".

With that MOTD added, it would clear people from using it and remove the idea from their head about the use of damage indicator modification. That would also give an idea to new comers "oh, this network is strict about the use of damage indicator modification which probably means that it isn't allowed in other gamemodes"

This is the best way to deal with this situation, but of course if this suggestion gets accepted, it wouldn't be a problem too, but in my opinion, i think that it's best to add the MOTD.
 
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Nah, keep it as it is. -1
Reason: Deytrex & Yanique1 comments above.
 
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So yes people can use it without others knowing, that doesn’t mean it’s right to use it in the first place…And I mentioned before anyone who gets banned for it can simply appeal and get unbanned by saying “sorry didn’t know it wasn’t allowed it’s my fault for not reading the rules”
Then why ban for it if they gonna get unbanned anyways?
 

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Then why ban for it if they gonna get unbanned anyways?
what? because they were cheating, this goes for any hack / disallowed mod. You can appeal on any ban
 
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what? because they were cheating, this goes for any hack / disallowed mod. You can appeal on any ban
Showing hearts above your head I wouldn't consider cheating, nor would a new player
 
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After reading the responses coming from the creator of this suggestion. I get your point that new comers would join the server using damage indicator since they think that "oh jartex has damage indicator on minigames, so i dont need to turn off mine because i feel more comfortable with mine and im used to it being this way" even after they read the rule, a lot of them might still be thinking that it's allowed to use ONLY on minigames since damage indicator itself is built in minigames already so of course, there is a chance that they ignore the rule thinking that the rule is only applied for other gamemodes BUT Mini games, or they would be like "the rule section must be outdated because it claims that damage indicator isn't allowed GLOBALLY but I see it in minigames" but little that they don't know, jartex just meant that the modification is disallowed but that doesn't mean that jartex cant add their own one in a gamemode. It's just a confusion overall and innocent players might get banned this way due to new comers in the mini game section reporting cheaters while having their own damage indicator on and then get banned for it.

You're also right about new comers using damage indicator due to them thinking that it's not cheating and that it's not something big of a deal especially with damage indicator itself being built in minigames, it would make them think even more that it's allowed. As for them reading the rules, I talked about that above.

I also get your point that the only way someone would be caught using damage indicator is by getting SSed by a staff member and for that to happen, staff members should at least get a console alert of the player or be suspicious of them. So due to screenshare being the only way to catch damage indicator users, having damage indicator ALLOWED in minigames wouldn't be a problem because if they got SSed in minigames, they would be safe from getting banned from damage indicator, but if they got ssed in factions, they would be banned for using damage indicator because they're in the gamemode that damage indicator is disallowed.

But also, let's not forget that they will have to restart their MC for them to disable damage indicator every time they wanna switch to a gamemode after playing minigames. The reason why they have to restart MC is because, they can't have the damage indicator modification active in their minecraft game even tho they turned it "off" from the settings since staff members would never know if it was off or on. The modification should be removed completely while being in minecraft and for that, they will have to restart which could be annoying to players and that could make lazy players use damage indicator anyways which could create more damage indicator users.

Due to that being said, I think it's best that jartex network adds a MOTD that pops up in your screen every time someone joins the mini game gamemode saying "Jartex network built a damage indicator specifically made for mini games, so please avoid the use of damage indicator modification to prevent yourself from getting banned".

With that MOTD added, it would clear people from using it and remove the idea from their head about the use of damage indicator modification. That would also give an idea to new comers "oh, this network is strict about the use of damage indicator modification which probably means that it isn't allowed in other gamemodes"

This is the best way to deal with this situation, but of course if this suggestion gets accepted, it wouldn't be a problem too, but in my opinion, i think that it's best to add the MOTD.
MOTD seems like an alright idea, but making it completely allowed or making it blocked from the server side in a way that you can't turn it on at all is a much better method imo.

having damage indicator ALLOWED in minigames wouldn't be a problem because if they got SSed in minigames, they would be safe from getting banned from damage indicator, but if they got ssed in factions, they would be banned for using damage indicator because they're in the gamemode that damage indicator is disallowed.
Firstly people cannot be screenshared in minigame lobbies. The above case is probably 1 in a 100 that someone get's ss'ed for being sus and gets banned for damage indicators instead.
So them having to restart mc before SS will get them banned anyways.

95% of people who get banned for it are through self reports and not screenshares. That shows its just people who don't think its a big enough of a modification to ban for. And I think if they find it they usually delete the mod instead of banning for it (That's what I do in my server atleast).
 

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instead of saying "+1" u guys can actually upvote it which is just beside the suggestion .
 
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